Best MSN conversation ever

The following is a MSN Messanger conversation between myself and Jeffrey Weston as we discuss the new Star Wars DVDs. The only back story you need to know is that our friend Cass is boycotting them due to some of the changes that Lucas has made to the films in this newest edition. Most controversial is the replacement of Sebastian Shaw as Luke's father at the end with a computer inserted Hadien Christenson.

Also you should know Jeff lives in Seattle, about 6 hours away by car, and I'm having a Star Wars Party on Sunday where we're going to watch all five movies.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Star Wars on DVD...

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Good times...

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Watching it at work...

Kelly says:

Really.

Kelly says:

Cool.

Kelly says:

I don't have it yet. I ordered it online from FutureShop. It's not here yet.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Amazon.com... Brings me the goods.

Kelly says:

Yeah, I should have gone Amazon.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

why did you buy it online, when you could have just gone to the store?

Kelly says:

I wanted to make sure I got it, though I wasn't able to go to the store right away. It was a dopey idea.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

You make Baby Lucas cry.

Kelly says:

I know. How is the preview for Revenge of the Sith?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

I haven't watched it yet...

Kelly says:

Ah.

Kelly says:

I saw a bit of the footage from Jedi on the TV in FutureShop yesterday. Damn it's sexy.

Kelly says:

I've never seen them look so good.

Kelly says:

You should come to my Star Wars party on Sunday.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

I would but airfare's a bitch.

Kelly says:

Okay, but you should watch all 5 at home on Sunday.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Maybe...

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Is Cass going to fly into a rage, at your party, over the extra spots on Jabba?

Kelly says:

Yup.

Kelly says:

Or over the fact that Jabba is in New Hope.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Does that blow his mind as well?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

I'm have big debate on in the Microsoft DVD Disscussion folders over this.

Kelly says:

Oh yeah, what's the word?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

I'm winning hands down... Lucas is Yaweh. He is the Lord.

Kelly says:

Ha ha.

Kelly says:

Or could maybe, you be losing?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

I'm arguing that Lucas is an artists who owns his art. He is entitled to do anything he wants with it.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Since he is the original author.

Kelly says:

I see.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

It's fine to argue that the changes make the product worse, but not OK to agrue that Lucas should not the changes.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

The public does not own Star Wars. They are at his mercey.

Kelly says:

Admit, that most of the changes have not made the movie better.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

They have. They have made the entire saga fit better together.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

In 60 years when Kevin Smith and the Gen X'ers are dead, nobody is going to care.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

It's not like Lucas is changing the Plot or the theme... Or core aspects that made Star Wars so good.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

He's tweaking the outer edges... That's all.

Kelly says:

I admit some of the changes are better, but some of them are dopey.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Maybe Lucas shouldn't have cleaned the Print... Maybe fans would prefer to also what Star Wars on the original dirty film they saw as kids.

Kelly says:

Admit it that Jar Jar Binks is a terrible character. That as much as it's okay to have Teddy Bears running around in Jedi to appeal to kids Jar Jar was a terrible awful miscalculation.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

That has nothing to do, with the original trilogy.

Kelly says:

I know, but it does.

Kelly says:

I'm all for Lucas cleaning up the print, and if he wants making the sfxs better, but he's shown a lack of comprehension about why people continue to love Star Wars. Yes the movies are for kids, but are they really only for kids? And not only for kids, but are they really only for kids with the brain capacity of lettuce?

Kelly says:

It makes sense to have Shaw in the last scene because Vader was still Anikan when he died, and the point was that Luke had redeemed him. So he was still good, and still a man when he died.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

What possible appeal to adults does Chewbecca, have? Or R2-D2?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Chewbacca is the most useless Character int eh entire series...

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

He pales in comparison to Jar jar

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

At least Jar Jar can speak english, and reason.

Kelly says:

The whole point of the Jedi was that part of him was still good inside, and that's what allowed Luke to "save" him. Saying that he stopped being who he was as a teenager, well that means that Luke was wrong and for all those years there was no part of Anikan inside Vader.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Then why did Annikan have arms and legs, when he appeared as a ghost?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Vader didn't have those...

Kelly says:

Because as long as the soul is pure the body will follow. It's like when you go to heaven even if you had lost your legs in the Great War you have them all back.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

It was the Dark Side of the force that turned Annikan into the hateful Jedi, and resulted in his disfigerment.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

So it makes perfect sense for him to revert to his previous youth, before the Dark Side evelloped him.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

There is no soul in Star Wars.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

When regular people die, in star wars they die.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

They don't become ghosts.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Only Jedi do, because of the Force... Because of hte Good side of the Force.


Kelly says:

I know.

Kelly says:

But it's like heaven.

Kelly says:

It's Force-ey heaven.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Only for Jedi. Han is nothing... Poor Han... For C3PO...

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

"Poor C3PO"

Kelly says:

Yeah.

Kelly says:

But maybe there's smugglers heaven.

Kelly says:

But I don't hate the new changes. I just think that I'd hate to be in a movie like Star Wars and then be erased by the director.

Kelly says:

And replaced with some Canadian.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Sebastian Shaw won't mind. He's dead.

Kelly says:

But should that matter?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Yes... He'd be the only one bitch'n about no more royalty cheques.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

I feel sorry for Han Solo's girl friend.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Yes, she was on the cutting room floor before Star Wars was releaded in 77.

Kelly says:

Yeah, but that's different. That's a change before the movie's released. Actors understand that. Being edited out of a movie 20 years on, only because the movie was successful, is kinda snakey.

Kelly says:

If Shaw had acted really badly, and Star Wars had then totally flopped after Jedi then there'd be no need to edit him out. Yet because of his brilliant performance, and the subsequent success of the franchise, he's been cast aside.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Come on... ANYBODY could have been Annikan in ROTJ.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

He was very replacable.

Kelly says:

Please. Was Liam Nesson replaceable in Phantom Menace? Was Orson Wells replaceable in Citizen Kane?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Annikan had like 30 seconds of screen time.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Under heavy make up...

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

And all he had to do was weese a couple of words.

Kelly says:

Oh, now we're judging performances by screen time? So I should just call up the Academy and get Dame Judy Dench's Oscar revoked, because she was only in Shakespeare In Love for a short time under heavy makeup.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Yes... that was stupid.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

If you're going to win an award you can at least, so some range.

Kelly says:

Maybe I should just write Tom Ridge and tell him he's not going to win best new song this year for his Eagle Freedom thing in Farinhieght 9-11, 'cause he's only in it for a short time.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

That was John Ashcroft.

Kelly says:

Well then, Tom Ridge is really going to be mad now. He's got no Oscar hopes.

Kelly says:

Well how would you feel if Lucas died and his children wanted to re-edit the film?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

That would be unacceptable.

Kelly says:

Why?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

But it would be an OK experiment if the "original" Lucas version remained available.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Only the original author should determine the final version.

Kelly says:

Okay. But how about the fact that with movies it's a collabrative process. There is a writer, director, producer, actors. Lucas didn't direct the movies, except one, so is he really the author?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Lucas created the idea, and owns all the rights.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

He was the final overseer.

Kelly says:

Okay, but what if he hadn't been smart enough to get the rights? What about people who create things and the studio owns them? Then is it okay for the producer to tinker with it?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

If it truly was a colloborative effort with a group of people all signing off on it, then a single person without consent changing it woudl be wrong.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

However, usually there is an overseer. One person who must sign off on it...

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

They can change it if they want.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Do you approve of the Director's cut on Blade Runner?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Or do you think Scott should never have tinkered with the movie.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

?

Kelly says:

I disaprove of Blade Runner as a whole.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Well, you can't get new copies of the Orignal Theatrical version anymore.

Kelly says:

Why not?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Only the Director's cut is available.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

I dunno.

Kelly says:

Look. Okay I think that Lucas has the right to make the changes. I think though that maybe someone should get power of attorney over him because he's clearly lost his mind.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

The changes Lucas has made to the Original Trilogy, are nothing more than Tweaks... They do not destroy or demean the Trilogy in anyway.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

You may not like the individual modifications, but as a whole the Trilogy is stil the same movie.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Lucas has the right, and the changes are small with no effect on teh entire saga.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

It's a non issue. Kevin Smith... Give it up.

Kelly says:

I'm not arguing that he doesn't have the right. Obviously. But then again so would his kids if he died.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Legally they probably would, but artistically they don't.

Kelly says:

So the greater question is should art be constantly changing or at one point does an artist have to accept that they've handed over their work to the masses and have to sort of leave it alone.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

The artist owns their art. They choose to "give" it to the public if they want.

Kelly says:

Well Lucas chose to give us Star Wars back in 1977 or whenever. I think at a certain point he should just say, "People seem to like the movies as they are I'm going to leave them."

I understand that Lucas really wants to use the latest technology on them, but at somepoint he's going to have to let it go and go work on the Special Edition of Willow.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Why? I think it would be really bad if an artist listens to the public, when working on their art.

Kelly says:

You wouldn't like it if Paul and Ringo went back and remixed all the Beatles albums. They did that Let It Be-Naked, but there they're at least not taking the original Let It Be off the shelves.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

The painting stands by itself and if it's not finished that is the judgement of hte artist not the public.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Aren't they?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

And if they do, allow older copies to still be sold, that is there decision.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Lucas and can the original trilogy still available, but in his view it woudl only be an appendix. He doesn't want the public to focus on the appendix, he wants the public to see only his vision.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Art is not a democracy.

Kelly says:

No, but it's not a theocracy either, and you think Lucas is infallliable.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

But in this theocracy, God himself is ruling... Not some grumpy old hyprotic clerics acting on "behalf" of God.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Theocracies would work if God actually stepped up to the plate.

Kelly says:

So you're saying Star Wars is a theocracy because Lucas is God and is stepping up to the plate?

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Uhh... Let's just say Lucas can do whatever, he wants with his art.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

It's like asking... Can you draw Garfield better than Jim Davis?

Kelly says:

So let's be honest here. Do you in your heart, soul, brain, mind, third eye, binidi, whatever.... do you actually think that Star Wars is better now than it was before Lucas Special Editioned it?

Kelly says:

Actually Jim Davis has someone else draw and write most of the Garfield strips now.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Yes... It fits better into the entire 6 part saga now.

Kelly says:

Okay. Fair enough. I disagree.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Jabba was a good addition. Han is still a bad ass...

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

And that Musical Scene in Return of the Jedi, sucked in the original too.

Kelly says:

Yeah, but now it's longer.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

With better music, and more interesting characters.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

(By better I still dont' mean good)

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

just "Better".

Kelly says:

Okay.

Kelly says:

You just wait until he Special Editions American Graphitit to take out Howling Wolf and add a rasta-DJ.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

PJ Harvey.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

Or OutKast!

Kelly says:

Exactly.

Jeffrey \(^o^)/ says:

And the Drag race would be between the Space Shuttle and Hummer.